Apt, but an argument can be made against virtually every other religion too.
That is true my friend, but is it really that apt though?
Firstly, people can marry science and religion pretty damn easily, and they do so, often. Secondly, the only people I see interpreting the Bible literally, without allowance for metaphor or symbolism are Militant Atheists and Fundamentalists.
I really don’t understand why so many people reblog/make these sorts of images. I really don’t. Why does humanity get a free fucking pass while Religion shoulders the blame? That is an easy way out. Do not ever underestimate humans inherent capacity for stupidity and shit behavior.
They will be as such regardless of whatever religious banner they claim. If you can look me in the eye and tell me that 9/11 or the Crusades would not have happened without belief in the Abrahamic God, then I will punch myself square in the fucking face. Abolishing religion will change nothing. People will always be shitty. Bill Maher for example, an atheist WOW SO COOL but also a racist, misogynist asshole.
And yes, people claim Christianity for a myriad of reasons, none of which are an open invitation to discredit their beliefs or their intelligence. Sure, maybe some people blindly follow a religion without asking questions, but the majority? No. You really think they haven’t asked themselves these questions and a thousand more? To assume all Christians just bury their fucking heads in the sand and wait for the rapture is pure arrogance, man. Arrogance.
Thirdly, “Discovering Reason” is the shittiest blog in existence. Comparing the struggle of Atheists to that of the LGBTQ community. Bad fucking form.
I want to make it clear that whoever made this image is not insulting me personally, but there are many people whom I care deeply for and respect immeasurably, who credit their religion for making them the person I love today. And not just Christians and Catholics, but Jews, Muslims, Luciferians, Lokeans, Asatruar, Thelemites, Hellenic Polytheists, Orthodox Kemetics, etc., all of which would not appreciate the dismissal of their intelligence on the grounds that they believe in higher power/s. So just stop fucking doing it???! Maybe?!
Of course, I know and love a lot of Atheists, but this particular breed of Militant Facebook Atheists, man. You know how to get my goat. and then attempt to sacrifice said goat upon an altar of crudely constructed, completely unstable, stupid fucking arguments.
Now I’m flustered so I’m gonna go play Skyrim. TALOS GUIDE YOU. Oooh, are Militant Atheists the new Thalmor? I’m drinkinggg.
I’m certainly not saying that people aren’t cruel on their own. I’ve know plenty of assholes whose assholery had nothing to do with religion whatsoever. I do, however think that a great deal of the world’s suffering comes from behavior that religion supports.
I’m not sure about the blog you referenced, I’ve never heard of it, and I don’t think the majority of people who proclaim themselves religious are blindly waiting for the end times. I do however think that religion gets in the way of progress more than virtually anything else that people do, and harms more than it helps.
I’m a firm “believer” in logic and reason, and some good ol’ common decency, and my hope is in the future everyone will feel the same, and leave their myths as fascinating stories and not guide books to life.
I definitely wasn’t trying to single you out! It was a generalized rant, I apologize for the crossfire! And that blog is actually the source of the image, their logo is in the corner. It’s from their Facebook page I assume.
And I guess where some people see ‘suffering from the behavior that Religion supports,’ I see a warped version of Religion that has been mutated by men in power in order to gain more power. For example, Gay marriage is a sin and an abomination according to certain people in power who claim Christianity, but when it comes to the actual teachings of Christ, it couldn’t be further from the truth. There is actually a large history of same sex unions ordained by the church. It is people who get in the way of the progress of people, in my opinion.
If I killed someone, then yelled “Odin made me do it!” Would it be true? So, at what point do we blame the deity who is allegedly involved?
Most religious people view their religious texts as ever-evolving tools that allow room for personal as well as social growth, not necessarily strict guidebooks to life. All religions are Mythology, not in the sense that they are “fake” but that they are events that take place in a mythic time frame which impart knowledge, lessons or behavioral codes. You cannot prove or disprove them. Humanity was built upon Mythologies and I think there is a danger in regarding them as simply a fascinating story. Like there is danger in dismissing the metaphors found within Mythology and regarding everything as literal. And that in a nutshell, is the perfection of Mythology.
I’m a firm believer in logic and reason as well, but logic and reason are never well-matched opponents for faith. And beyond logic and reason and faith, this debate is about respect. And I’m not going to tell someone their personal truths are merely stories, when they have felt Loki, or Thoth, or Christ’s presence in their life. Who am I to argue that? Why would I want to? Why would ANYONE want to?
I know the majority of *Militant* Atheists wish to rely on ‘common decency,’ but I don’t how the fuck they plan on getting there when they seem incapable of exhibiting the trait themselves.
I need to paint this on the ceiling above my head so I see it every morning when I wake up.
brilliant idea ;) really is!
To be fair, Cesare Borgia was kinda hot though…
I mean, he’s no Oded Fehr…
But nobody’s perfect…
(Note, the link behind Cesare Borgia contains so many errors, infelicities, and bullshit explanations (of a point which does have some merit, kinda) that it should prove an amusing read.
Besides, we all know Jesus was Irish.
He never got married.
He never held a steady job.
He went out drinking with the lads the night before he died.
His last request was a drink
He lived with his parents until he was 33.
He thought his mother was a virgin, and she, bless her, She thought he was God.
Jim Caviezel…still decent as Edmund Dantes.
I’m pretty sure tehre’s also been Black Jesus, Spanish Jesus, and a Chinese Jesus (or Chineesus as I like to call him) as well.
Adapting the appearance of religious figures to fit the dominant demographic of the region is nothing new. For example, here’s what the Archangel Gabriel looks like in Christian art, and here’s his Islamic incarnation.
YEA! Have you noticed the difference in the depictions of buddhas and deities from Tibet to Japan to Indonesia? All very different. Buddhism itself adapts to the culture it moves to. The Dharma is always the same, but the images, rituals, traditions ALWAYS change, adapt :)
This is an enormous chain and I’m sorry, but I need to say this:
The laws in the Old Testament were set forth by god as the rules the Hebrews needed to follow in order to be righteous, to atone for the sin of Adam and Eve and to be able to get into Heaven. That is also why they were required to make sacrifices, because it was part of the appeasement for Original Sin.
According to Christian theology, when Jesus came from Heaven, it was for the express purpose of sacrificing himself on the cross so that our sins may be forgiven. His sacrifice was supposed to be the ultimate act that would free us from the former laws and regulations and allow us to enter Heaven by acting in his image. That is why he said “it is finished” when he died on the cross. That is why Christians don’t have to circumcise their sons (god’s covenant with Jacob), that is why they don’t have to perform animal sacrifice, or grow out their forelocks, or follow any of the other laws of Leviticus.
When you quote Leviticus as god’s law and say they are rules we must follow because they are what god or Jesus wants us to do, what you are really saying, as a Christian, is that Christ’s sacrifice on the cross was invalid. He died in vain because you believe we are still beholden to the old laws. That is what you, a self-professed good Christian, are saying to your god and his son, that their plan for your salvation wasn’t good enough for you.
So maybe actually read the thing before you start quoting it, because the implications of your actions go a lot deeper than you think.
/An atheist who understands Christian theology better than Bible-thumpers do.
Not a Christian. Did spend six years in Catholic school. Do like to study all religious traditions and beliefs. i think it’s important for historical purposes, to understand who we were and where we came from…. also to help us understand and interact w/others in the here and now. Not to mention, it’s interesting to me.
From what i’ve learned and experienced, i’m going to have to say i agree fully with what was said here. Seems accurate and true ;)